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Round |
C/R |
Comment |
Date |
Image |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
Two things struck me right away: you're tone mapping a single image and doing so to get an image with an HDR look. Huh? HDR came about to provide a way of compressing a scene's high tonal range into a single image where the capturing method was not capable of capturing that range. And, the 'hdr' look was actually a bastardation of the intent of the process. Images that combine the best of all the parts are stunning not grungy looking.
Almost all of my images are shot at 400 to Max the doc because my Canon G10 has min fstop of f8 and +/-1stop for the simple reason that this works for me.
You are not that far from where we'll soon be in Chattanooga. A road trip will be in order some day to shoot and compare notes. |
Sep 30th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
Two things struck me right away: you're tone mapping a single image and doing so to get an image with an HDR look. Huh? HDR came about to provide a way of compressing a scene's high tonal range into a single image where the capturing method was not capable of capturing that range. And, the 'hdr' look was actually a bastardation of the intent of the process. Images that combine the best of all the parts are stunning not grungy looking.
Almost all of my images are shot at 400 to Max the doc because my Canon G10 has min fstop of f8 and +/-1stop for the simple reason that this works for me.
You are not that far from where we'll soon be in Chattanooga. A road trip will be in order some day to shoot and compare notes. |
Sep 30th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
Glad to. The camera is virtually new. It's had no more than 3-5 rolls of film run through and looks like it just came out of the box. And, any digital lab can handle the scanning. I would recommend DSL, Digital Silver Labs. |
Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
I didn't see that juxtaposition between the chimney and the cloud. Nice catch! It's nice to see you notice the reticulation attempt. Unfortunately, these days everyone wants things nice and neat as well as all cleaned up. Life just isn't like that, is it?
Thanks. And, I will be letting you know more about the trip next year to Ireland. Would love to go touring and shooting with you while there, too. |
Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
It's interesting that you find that we have so many excellent decaying places over in the colonies. I did chuckle at that since England has many more places much older than we have. And, come October next year we plan to do a month in Ireland photographing as many of those old places I can get to. Then we'll be coming to England and France, both for a week or so.
I will give some attention to the sky a little more,
Thanks! |
Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
I'll give your suggestion a go next time out - a little lower and to the right. I would recommend that you take a look at DxO Film Pack. This is DxO's film emulator. It's based on the actual film grain of the original films as studied using those films. Extraordinary!
I'll return to the same place and do some closer images. The vines are worth spending some time with and let them 'speak' to me, too.
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Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
Thanks Nelson. Glad you liked it. By the time DxO gets done with its fabulous denoising this sky looked very clean and needed something. I made an adjustment to their 'fine contrast' control that allows you to adjust the contrast in areas of very fine variations of black and white. I liked the way it brought in a sense of graininess we got with IR film back in the day.
Once I get moved to Chattanooga I'll be doing some Rollei 120 IR film in my Yashicamat 124G square format camera. The what's called 'Stand Processing' of the film will be followed up by high resolution scanning on the Epson 750 scanner and processed by DxO as usual. Can't wait to show these images to the group. |
Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
I did shoot it straight on with my pocket camera which has GPS capture in it. The image stinks! Boring as all get out! The problem with straight on shot of this type of subject matter is that there is no sense of the depth behind and around the subject matter. |
Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
Your explanation makes sense to me. It's not what I do but my method works for me and not for everyone. I guess it's a AADD thing! But, here's my logic in whatever it is that I do:
I come from a strong film background with both color and b/w so I no longer use the image preview and haven't for years. I found myself spending way too much time on the instant gratification that the preview offers. Try it! Trust your talent and experience. You'll wind up paying more attention to getting the image and it'll be better because of it.
I, too, shoot a 3 HDR image set and +/-1 stop based on a -1/3 stop normal exposure. I don't use HDR on this set of images usually; but rather, use the exposure that gives me the best exposure curve when I process the RAW image.
I use a color corrected curve for a default which is created using the color checker software from Xrite. The correction file is set into a custom profile in the camera. This normally gives me a color corrected image out of camera rather than using the 'channel swap' hammer.
Lastly, the 'deep b/w' conversion is like putting an 87C infrared filter over the lens. In IR film work this filter cuts out 98% of the visual light spectrum which is why it's referred to as the 'black filter'. This conversion should always yield pretty close to a b/w image by default.
I'm not a guru by any means. The process and workflow I do fit me to a 'T' and allows me to focus on the image not on the post processing. Hope this helps! This is why I like the study groups because we all learn and grow. Most of all we should all take away that photography is a path by which we can enjoy the beauty of God's work and know that we can't improve on that. IR is all about the unseen light and how fortunate we are to be working in this parallel universe.
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Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
Spot on!!
You made very pleasant image that would be well placed in a reading room or bedroom as at least a 16x20/24 for it's a soothing and quieting image. At the same time the 'high key' nature of your image isn't sharp.
Your comment about the channel mixing, if it meant the infamous channel swapping, then you were able to correct the flaw in the use of this technique. I hadn't thought about correct this absolute by adjusting the secondary colors.
And, you are not off at all by underexposing by one-stop. I use a -2/3stop as a standard to bring more of the 'hot' highlights down a bit when the image is made. But I always shoot three HDR images all the time. The DELETE key is my friend.
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Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
I really like this composition. The placement of the bridge support is very well done to make a pleasing composition for we who follow the golden proportion vs the rule of thirds. I also think having someone on the bridge would draw the viewer into the image immediately. For instance, if your lovely wife would be near the 'V' in the truss junction with the support then WOW!
However, I don't understand the exposure settings. f3.5 at 1/800 restricts the DOF quite a bit. The settings convert pretty well to something near the 'sunny 16' setting of f16 @ 1/250 with an ASA setting of 200. You'd gain a lot of DOF with no effect on the capturing a lack of movement.
Well done!
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Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
There is nothing that I can see to change a thing. If RAW has the ability to do a lens correction for the lens you used, then that would probably straighten out the tree on the far left. Otherwise, get a pano print done and mount it on your wall. Job well done, sir!
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Sep 20th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
I like the composition a lot because to me it fits the golden proportion on. It's an intriguing image and meant in a very complimentary way.
As one who likes detail, I could see where a little higher contrast in the micro areas would bring out the texture in the image overall.
Nice work!
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Sep 19th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
The wires and the other items in the original give the image some context to it's past and, perhaps in the case of the wires, a sense of the present. I am not a fan of neither the clone tool or content aware changes.
The couple of things I would are:
Crop up from the bottom, and top as needed, to take the base of the church down a crop line - rule of thirds or golden proportion.
Bring the contrast up to darken the skies and lighten the the church.
Nice job, too. |
Sep 19th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Comment |
If you were going for that photo artistic image the gives a sense of mystery to a scene of deterioration, then you did indeed succeed with this image and it works on that level. The predominant high key nature of the image lends itself well to a surreal setting of apparent desolation.
From a technical standpoint how do you get color from the deep b/w conversion when it's presented as equivalent to an 87c filter that, by design, cuts out to 98% of the visible light spectrum. It may be a function of the channel swap which I never used beyond some experimentation I've done to see what if does. |
Sep 19th |
| 35 |
Sep 17 |
Reply |
DxO has three contrast controls - normal, micro, and fine detail. I brought up the normal contrast to stretch the bell curve and the fine contrast to put in the grain. I do plan to bring the exposure control down a bit before sending it out for printing at DSL.
Did you find the man of the house? Hint: Look in the deep shadow left of the vines.
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Sep 14th |
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